Backing Up Your NAS: Harder Than It Should Be

[eddomak]

I was looking for a true backup solution driven all from the NAS but couldn't find one.

By true backup, I mean one that enables restore to a given point in time either through snapshots or even better incremental/differential backup.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but with rsync, the problem is that if you corrupt your original, it would propogate to the rsync'd copy if you don't catch it in time. I have read some pretty funky (and smart) solutions using file/directory linking to trick the filesystem into effectively performing incremental backups, but they are beyond the consumer, and beyond the ability of most NAS's without shell access.

If only Mozy or Carbonite had a Linux version!

My workaround is to use Acronis True Image 11 on a separate PC to read the data from the NAS and perform incremental backups to an online FTP server. But this requires a separate PC to be switched on to coordinate the operation. Also it generates network traffic as all the data is routed through the PC.

Anyone out there got NAS-only driven solutions to restore to a point-in-time?

[Osamede]

Good to see this article addressing what is an all-too-common problem with NAS units.

[corndog]

To the question about NAS-driven backups that allow a choice of point-in-time restores:

One thing you could do with a ReadyNAS is use the CIFS 'pull' backup to schedule a backup that pulls contents from your windows PC onto the NAS. Then all you have to do is schedule a different job for each day of the week that puts the backup in a different location and make each job run weekly on a different day of the week.. That way you would have 5 backups to choose from if you needed a restore. And this would only cost you the price of the NAS

[vicx]

Love your work Tim. I was just explaining this dilemma to my brother who is now looking at a NAS solution and this scratches the surface of a pretty large topic. My advice to him to focus on a workable backup solution when deciding what NAS/s to buy, now seems rather cruel.

Even the support inside of NAS manufacturer families can vary in terms of support for backup. The language used in marketing material is the opposite of specific. It makes an informed choice pretty hard.

I was surprised to find that the Thecus 3200pro won't let me use Ext2/3 - I assumed that the screenshots from other models showing Ext2/3 options would be carried through to my model. Not actually the case. It can read but not write to NTFS, Ext2/3. As a far as useful options built into the 3200pro for backup it's nsync (dumbified rsync) or nothing.

Do you get the same backup choices in a ReadyNASduo as in a ReadyNAS Pro? Those screenshots look great but those are from a PRO unit right?

How about the QNAP range?

Segmentation of a range should be based on hardware and number of drives - cutting backup options out of software for single and dual drive units is just wrong (actually seems backwards).

[thiggins]

Originally Posted by vicx

Do you get the same backup choices in a ReadyNASduo as in a ReadyNAS Pro? Those screenshots look great but those are from a PRO unit right?

All ReadyNASes offer the same backup options. ElephantDrive cloud backup is temporarily only available for the Pro. NETGEAR says is will be available on other ReadyNASes soon.

Originally Posted by vicx

How about the QNAP range?

I didn't have any QNAP NASes here when writing the article. I don't know what is up with them lately. They are very unresponsive to requests for review units.

Hi there,

I have been looking for a NAS solution that allows backup to offsite storage for specifically the reasons mentioned in the article. What if your house burns down?

I have been using a USB attached drive and SmartSync Pro to back up files from my desktop to the USB drive every night at midnight.

Once month, I swap this drive with one in my bank security box.

Yes, this is sort of like sneakernet backup, but I don't see ANY NAS solution that offers this simple offsite storage.

I also have the bonus of using NTSF in that if my main drive fails, I can quickly replace it by just plugging in my USB backup or the one from the bank.

I haven't found any NAS that offers this simplicity and required operation of offsite, accessible backup.

Thanks,
Ric

[wpns]

FWIW:

rsync machine::

will show you the modules available on that machine.

I like the idea of remote backups, but most places seem to charge a buck per gigabyte per month, which gets insane when you have terabytes of data to back up. ElephantDrive seems to have a better handle on this, but I'd still be into a few hundred dollars a month with them.

And with "cloud" backups you have to trust the cloud to keep your data safe, secure, and to be in business long-term.

No easy answers.

[QuickThinking]

I'm really glad this article gives me a recent place to post about my concerns on backing up my NAS.

So far, I have no backups. I know, I suck, but I'm planning it out now. The upside is that I can do it right, the downside is I can't find the features I want.

My ideal setup is a NAS that could restore to a certain point in time. Even better if it would use some of the technology available in a product like BackupPC or rdiff-backup so that revisions wouldn't be completely seperate files increasing my backups by multiples of my file sizes. I'm now a Windows guy looking at the daunting task of setting up FreeNAS or a comfortable edition of linux running BackupPC and it's stressing me out. However, that's another issue.

Assuming I get a working NAS at home backing up my music, pictures, and video, I'm still talking about over 100GBs of data. Raid doesn't solve the problem of fire, flood, or burglary. I need an off site backup, but if I try to do even the initial seed load of that amount of data my ISP's EULA would shut me down in a hurry.

So, assuming I come up with a way to backup at home. I need an EASY way to initially synchronize that backup to another device locally (a duplicate nas, a linux file server, etc) and then move that backup device off site and set it up so that it only sync's the changes, preferrably on a late night schedule. I have a friend with a high speed cable internet connection like mine willing to host my offsite backup in exchange for the same at my house for his. I'm looking into rsync or rdiff-backup for that, but based on two days of research, I can tell you the commercial NAS hacks necessary are again very daunting.

In case it helps, what I need to backup:

• 1 Windows XP Desktop (always on)
• 1 Windows XP Desktop (intermittently on)
• 1 Windows XP Laptop (intermittently on)

Whatever solution I come up with shouldn't cross the 1k mark, and that includes any off site equipment. Last minute concern, maybe I should encrypt my off site backup. My friend could be the curious type.. one more thing. HELP!

[wpns]

You can build a Linux file server for not very much money, look at NewEgg for the MSI Wind PC, a terabyte of WD Green hard drive, and a few other bits and pieces, and you are all set for well under $350.

Load it at your house, do differentials to his house, everything else is a SMOP. 8*)

[I'm a bit nebulous about the details, as I'm still trying to figure them out myself. If I did my math right you can move somewhere around 2.5GB/day over a 256K upload.]

I personally would back up my PCs and other machines to a local file server and replicate that using rsync, which doubles your hardware cost (I'm a big fan of NAS drives) but simplifies the backup process considerably.

You also need a way to test that the backups you are making are useful, nothing worse than haaving your house burn down and discover that your backups are junk. Do a test restore occasionally...

[beq]

Hmm, is it possible that QNAP wants to wait until the release of their firmware 3.0 with AJAX before submitting for additional SmallNetBuilder reviews? It's been in beta for their non-Intel models, and not even available yet for the Intel models.

I will try to ask them in their forum... I do hope we see reviews of their newer models (with the new firmware) here in time for the launch of higher-performance 2TB hard drives.