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Old 01-25-2013, 12:36 PM
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A few comments on this article.

* UPnP and DLNA are not the same and unfortunately Samsung have problems with UPnP & DLNA servers though the compatibility issues are more severe with UPnP. Most common DLNA servers now include a profile for Samsung devices to overcome various other issues so the authors pleasant experience with Samsung was very lucky.

* Transcoding is possible on x86 based NAS hence the tab on the Asustor UPnP server but given the Intel Atom CPU it's woefully inadequate.

* Plex is not primarily a DLNA server that was a very recent addition.

* Boxee is dead effectively, not sure it was wise for Asustor to drag that out of the closet.

* Intel Atom chips have hardware video decoders which can handle high bitrate videos the CPU cannot but the drivers for these under linux are still rough.

I'm genuinely surprised Asustor didn't include with XBMC, given that Plex and Boxee are both XBMC offshoots and neither of those are well supported under linux or on embedded platforms either.

XBMC would have been the much saner choice as there is a lot of work optimizing it for low end systems and it is very well supported under linux.
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A few comments on this article.

* UPnP and DLNA are not the same and unfortunately Samsung have problems with UPnP & DLNA servers though the compatibility issues are more severe with UPnP. Most common DLNA servers now include a profile for Samsung devices to overcome various other issues so the authors pleasant experience with Samsung was very lucky.

* Transcoding is possible on x86 based NAS hence the tab on the Asustor UPnP server but given the Intel Atom CPU it's woefully inadequate.

* Plex is not primarily a DLNA server that was a very recent addition.

* Boxee is dead effectively, not sure it was wise for Asustor to drag that out of the closet.

* Intel Atom chips have hardware video decoders which can handle high bitrate videos the CPU cannot but the drivers for these under linux are still rough.

I'm genuinely surprised Asustor didn't include with XBMC, given that Plex and Boxee are both XBMC offshoots and neither of those are well supported under linux or on embedded platforms either.

XBMC would have been the much saner choice as there is a lot of work optimizing it for low end systems and it is very well supported under linux.
Thanks for the feedback. I assume with the first statement you are talking about my sentence, " But some things still did not work, like Vimeo video through Boxee, the Boxee browser and UPnP to our TV." or are you mentioning that the ASUSTOR uPnP Media Server is not DLNA. I understand they are different standards, but they are roughly synonymous in practice. Please clarify.

It may be possible that Samsung doesn't play well with DLNA specs, but I haven't seen that. In seeing other DLNA players, like Sony Bravia for instance, our Samsung has handled every support thrown at it while the others have really struggled.

Transcoding is possible on the Atom NAS's yes, however ASUSTOR's Transcoding tab only had Audio and Images. Transcoding video with the Atom CPU would probably prove painful, that takes horsepower.

This is what I have from ASUSTOR on their choice of Boxee over XBMC.

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Indeed, Boxee has stopped their PC version upgrading according to their earlier announcement But Boxee is already in the market for many years, it is quite mature open source and we will take on the future maintenance without problem. For example, the upcoming version 9.28 is supporting by ASUSTOR RD team.

In the mean time, our primary consideration is the user experience. For browsing and maneuvering in big screen TV, Boxee user interface is by far the easiest and most friendly. For other players, they are mainly designed mainly for PC so the small icon and tab here and there do not really allow remote control to operate easily. (Actually it is painful...)

For best user experience, we choose to have Boxee as our first HDMI player apps. We will of course have other apps for user to choose from in the future such as XBMC.
With Plex, it's not primarily a DLNA server, but that's the only way I could present media to the TV with it. It doesn't present by HDMI output on the NAS. I think my sentence read, "Plex is a DLNA solution that we could run with the TV remote." I guess I can see where that is misleading, but to our TV that was the only choice I had. Please clarify?

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I admit I am slightly confused by the article and conclusion. I'll assume the reference is to commercially made NAS as a media server.

XBMC is an impressive free software and you can find in their forums people building small ASROCK (and other) based mini media players that serve up HD media with HD audio on Linux and Windows (OSX lags on audio).

After reading on SmallNetBuilder on building a NAS with Linux, it would seem natural one could install XBMC or a varient and end up with a very good NAS that can serve double duty as a media server.

Alternatively, there are media servers that can handle DAS and NAS easily such as Dune players.

It shouldn't be too difficult to build a Linux box that handles multiple drives, uses either software or hardware RAID and dish up media via software such as XBMC or Plex. - Just a thought.
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Hi phrehdd,

The goal of the series was to take a look at the commercial Intel-based NAS and assess their validity as an HTPC. As you may know, most of the Intel-based NAS' coming out have HDMI ports and many manufacturers are advertising them as dual-duty NAS and HTPC. We wanted to test those claims.

The NAS manufacturers have either used Boxee or XBMC to this point, with the usage being either a choice of the NAS manufacturer or a module compiled by a third-party.

As far as building your own, the possibilities are endless there and that wasn't really the intent of the series. SmallNetBuilder always likes to see the creations of forum members and I encourage you to post up a build once you have one.
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